Carrie Underwood, Kevin Eubanks voted Sexiest Vegetarians

7-03-2007 @8:20PM Mike Wallace said... You say 'picky', we say 'ethical'.
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7-03-2007 @10:16PM Allison said... I say "metabolic type." Some of us are protein types, others carb, others mixed. One of those do pretty well as vegetarians, the others suffer anything from persistant hunger to depression to jitters to lack of nutrients and maximum energy. One of them thrives (with appropriate supplements) on vegetarian or even vegan diets; others suffer. You've got to know your metabolic type, and in turn, how to support ethical, humanely raised animals if your body needs them.

Blessings from an aging hippie who would have liked to be a vegetarian but who lives life at half-mast or lower if I try to thwart my biology.

Talia
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7-03-2007 @10:55PM Sean said... I'm sorry Talia but that has no scientific basis whatsoever. There are no "metabolic types" and the people who fail to "thrive" on a vegetarian/vegan diet usually have an underlying medical condition or fail to eat a nutritious diet, vegetarian or otherwise. If you would like to offer a medical rationale on why a vegetarian diet does not provide everything your body needs I would love to hear it. Otherwise stop spreading a ridiculous and unsubstantiated myth about what is arguably the most nutritious way to eat, and for those who have the privilige of choice, the most ethical.

For anyone else who wants a primer on vegetarian/vegan nutrition, check out http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/
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7-03-2007 @11:04PM Steven Andrew Miller said... You say "ethical" and I saw "pretentious."
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7-04-2007 @5:51AM TC said... Heh, I read it as "Sexist Vegetarians".

Close enough.
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7-04-2007 @5:36PM Leena said... I agree with Steve Miller there. There's nothing wrong with going vegetarian for your health, and I won't even argue with religious reasons...

BUT there's no such thing as a true, bona-fide, 100% 'ethical' vegetarian or vegan.... LEST you grow ALL your food staples and harvest them ALL by HAND. Why? Animals are killed in combines and other machines that harvest grains, beans, vegetables, ect. The count of small mammals and birds is insane. I'll look up the statistics one of these days... but no matter what, you're going to be killing animals, so why don't you guys step off the pedestal you've erected for yourselves already?

HARVESTING IS MURDAR!!!11oneone
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7-04-2007 @11:03AM gary said... Feh. Everybody knows the sexiest vegetarian is TV Guide's Michael Ausiello. Leno stuffed the ballot box for Eubanks!
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7-04-2007 @2:15PM Chrissy said... 'Pretentious'?

We have as much of the right to not eat meat/animal products as you do.

Live and let live, sheesh.
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7-04-2007 @2:37PM Chris said... People sure overuse the word "pretentious" a lot. It has no place in an earnest conversation about ethics(not that this is the place where that conversation needs to happen, but still). One side feels they can make a positive impact on issues such as animal welfare, the environment, and the economy (I'm gonna dismiss the nutrition argument for now because that seems inherently more linked to self-interest), while the opposing side either doesn't believe that eating habits can make an impact (or should make an impact?), or simply doesn't share the same values as the vegs. Using insults like "picky" or "pretentious" is a way to avoid the real ethical discussion, by refusing to take the conversation seriously. Like calling recyclers "pretentious" instead of acknowledging legitimate reasons for recycling. Fair enough, I get it. It's why I don't get in arguments with rabid anti-vegetarians.

Now that I've sucked out the venom from nimrods Steven Andrew Miller and J, I'd like to also say that Joaquin Phoenix gets my vote, too. Rowr!
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7-04-2007 @2:40PM Chris said... And I shouldn't have said "rabid anti-vegetarians" because that is too close to insults like "pretentious." I should have said "knee-jerk anti-vegetarians," which is just as descriptive and far more accurate, in my experience.
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7-04-2007 @2:54PM John said... Ethical? I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants.
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7-04-2007 @4:23PM Allison said... Sean, a vegetarian diet DOES supply everything certain body types need -- but not everyone. Here's a couple of resources you might want to check. The book "Metabolic Typing" by William Woolcott, and the website www.mercola.com, search "metabolic typing." I think you'll find a lot of science there if personal anecdotes about losing weight, gaining fantastic energy and mental clarity, as well as over-all health and wellbeing (such as my own and many, many others once I realized I am a protein type and started eating accordingly) are not valid. You are lucky to be aware enough of your metabolic type to appropriately fuel your body as a vegetarian. My sadness is that most people rely on one-size-fits-all or celebrity diets regardless of what their own unique chemistry requires.

Blessings to you. Talia
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7-05-2007 @7:43AM J said... I resent being called a nimrod- mind you I just said vegetarians and picky eaters aren't sexy- I made no judgment on their choices good or bad, I just think that picky eaters aren't sexy, though I'm happy to should you wish.
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7-05-2007 @3:13AM Jonathan said... I've always found it funny how vegetarians think that they make a difference.
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7-05-2007 @9:36PM Sean said... "
BUT there's no such thing as a true, bona-fide, 100% 'ethical' vegetarian or vegan.... LEST you grow ALL your food staples and harvest them ALL by HAND. Why? Animals are killed in combines and other machines that harvest grains, beans, vegetables, ect. The count of small mammals and birds is insane. I'll look up the statistics one of these days... but no matter what, you're going to be killing animals, so why don't you guys step off the pedestal you've erected for yourselves already?"

Leena, your argument crops up frequently in interactions between vegans and omnivores and seems to be part of a general strategy on the part of omnis of looking for any ethical inconsistencies in the practices of vegans and upon finding them, rejecting the vegan argument in totality. I do not grow all my own food because frankly I have neither the skill, the space, or the time to do so. I accept that animals die as a result of the production of the crops I eat to survive. This death is an unavoidable part of living in our society. Your argument fails in two respects. One you overstate the possiblity of growing your own food using classical methods in order to avoid any incidental death associated with more modern farming methods. This is impossible for anyone not solely devoted to the task. Indeed one of the starkest effects of modern industrilization has been to free the great majority of the population from spending all its time grow its own food.

Secondly, and more importantly, your argument fails to take into account what is often called the "least harm" principle. Consuming a vegan diet still results in the deaths of animals. However the omnivorous diet kills orders of magnitude more animals. It would take 10 times the amount of soybeans or wheat to raise the same amount of beef, on a per calorie basis, as it would to eat the wheat or soybeans directly. Thus one needs 10 times the amount of farmed land and one can expect that this would result in far more prarie dogs and other small animals being killed to raise meat as it would to feed a vegan diet. All of this fails to take into account the actual deaths of the animals raised on the inefficiently used farm land.

Talia:
What you cite has been discreted repeatedly by the mainstream medical community. Try googling for some perspective. Mercola is especially problematic and I would try looking him and his company up at quackwatch.org.
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7-06-2007 @12:54AM american vegetaryan said... its much much more than the meat,in that like the movie SUPERSIZE ME-,america has become what they have eaten and they have been eating way too much SHIT
I dont mean to be rude,its just simple logic,garbage in,garbage out,if the fast food industry will not stop feeding thier feces to the american people,why should anyone wonder why theres so many problems,especially with the children who need thier protien pure,clean, fresh, healhty,and arent getting it-the quality must go up not down,for the future of america's next generation.....
the contamination of the nation's food supply is not acceptable any longer the consumers are refusing to eat filth....the consumer is now DEMANDING TOP GRADE QUALITY,wheather veggie or meat
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7-08-2007 @1:43PM Marcus said... I'm always amazed at how vegetarians have been elected to determine what is ethical.


If a Christian tried to give the vegs some things that were ethical based on Judean-Christian principles that have guided the world's moral codes for thousands of years, they would be up in arms. They would be all over that like flies on.... well, you know.


But now the vegetarians are the only ones that get to vote on what is "ethical" food and the rest of us have to believe what they say or we are assumed to be "unethical." Or is it that killing meat was ok when each family killed their own animals for food? It's hard to know. Has all of civilization, for thousands of years, been unethical? And we've just now discovered a species of "ethical" people called VEGETARIANS? What a marvelous time we live in!
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7-06-2007 @2:16PM Pandora said... who cares, this was about beauty and its all of a sudden some big argument over who kills more animals! theyre both ugly, anyway. carrie is whiter than a ghost, and eubanks has a double chin in the picture
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7-07-2007 @12:01PM Kimberly said... Marcus, I'm a Christian and a vegetarian, so now what? Personally I don't think as a Christian or as a vegetarian that I hold the monopoly on ethics, so why should you? Vegetarianism is a choice, and for many of us who make that choice, we do so for the purpose of treating animals in an ethical manner. We also are blessed enough to be able to make that choice, unlike those persons of the Bible who literally lived off the land and harvested their own food. We don't have to do that anymore. While I understand that the New Testament has opened up to us a lot of previously "unclean" foods, including all forms of animals, that testament also allows us to make choices. As a Christian Vegetarian, I choose to obey the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not murder" as much as possible, recognizing that sometimes this is not 100% foolproof.
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